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A Warrior's Tragedy 1993

Postby auconban » Sat May 04, 2013 5:23 am

I had asked Frankie Chan about A Warrior's Tragedy.
He said Invincible Power of Kindness isn't A Warrior's Tragedy.
http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?i ... ay_set=eng
Invincible Power of Kindness is directed for Korea in 1995,it just used some scenes in A Warrior's Tragedy.
And A Warrior's Tragedy 2 is not existed which shows in HKFA.
http://ipac.hkfa.lcsd.gov.hk:81/ipac20/ ... ex=ALLTITP
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Re: A Warrior's Tragedy 1993

Postby calros » Sat May 04, 2013 10:37 am

We discussed this topic time ago. viewtopic.php?f=7&t=51140&p=77714 and viewtopic.php?f=15&t=48190&p=67095

The same editor who proposed to separate the films, in the end decided not to separate them.
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Re: A Warrior's Tragedy 1993

Postby auconban » Sat May 04, 2013 12:10 pm

As Frankie said,the Invincible one is took out in 1995 for Korea film maker's demand,not for Taiwan and not another version of A Warrior's Tragedy.
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Re: A Warrior's Tragedy 1993

Postby calros » Mon May 06, 2013 4:00 pm

I will wait to see if the editor who proposed the split reconsiders his decision. If he agrees, I will create the 2nd movie.
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Re: A Warrior's Tragedy 1993

Postby Chen Hung Lieh » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:47 pm

Hello,
I would like to confirm what the topic starter already communicated, "Invincible Power of Kindness / 仁者無敵" is not an alias in an usual way, but rather the title of a re-edit finished two years later in 1995 with new added shots, at least one replaced actress and a completely different story, original dialogues were changed into a total different meaning. Therefore I suggest to describe these titles as "1995 Re-edit" (or something similiar) instead of a simple "Alias".

The aforementioned replaced actress is Chak Ying, she took over Wang Lu-Yao's role of "Ting Pak Wan". This must have been the reason why in Chak Ying's profile is a wrong picture:
http://hkmdb.com/db/people/image_detail ... ay_set=eng
In fact this picture shows Wang Lu-Yao who played "Ting Pak Wan" in the original version:
http://hkmdb.com/db/people/images.mhtml ... ay_set=eng

The longer original version was originally a Two-Parter and then edited into one movie which is the widely known HK version released by Winson and Cinema City. I have no idea how and where the movie was released first though.
Part 1 Chinese title of the longer original version is 邊城浪子 as well.
Part 2 has two different titles:
邊城浪子之身世謎踪 (original onscreen title & Singapore laserdisc cover)
邊城浪子之身世踪 (HKFA title & US Network Kingdom tape)
English title:
A Warrior's Tragedy II

Furthermore, the original dialogue are at least not "Cantonese" alone, to me it looks like that it was partially (maybe entirely?) shot in Mainland China or Mongolia, Mainland actors took part too, leading villain Xu Huan-Shan for example (after comparison between Canto and Mandarin track he obviously spoke Mandarin).
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Re: A Warrior's Tragedy 1993

Postby yukabacera » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:56 pm

If the differences between the two versions are as extensive as Chen Hung Lieh describes, it doesn't sound like this should be a simple 'alias' but a completely new entry.
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Re: A Warrior's Tragedy 1993

Postby calros » Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:03 am

If we want to create a new entry, first we must know what cast and crew appears in each entry. And what titles and aliases are in each entry.
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Re: A Warrior's Tragedy 1993

Postby Chen Hung Lieh » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:58 am

Before I watched IPOK the first time, I just expected a different perspective on basically the same story. But then I was pretty surprised how the story completely contradicted all the events that happened in AWT (1+2). Of course there are lots of movies with alternative endings or alternative shootings, but I never saw anything comparable to IPOK, even Godfrey Ho's copy & past productions are closer to the plots of the used original movies : )
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Re: A Warrior's Tragedy 1993

Postby Chen Hung Lieh » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:38 pm

calros wrote:If we want to create a new entry, first we must know what cast and crew appears in each entry. And what titles and aliases are in each entry.

I will take care of that as good as I can, give me some time.
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Re: A Warrior's Tragedy 1993

Postby Chen Hung Lieh » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:57 pm

For the sake of better overview I will post two corrections now, before I later come up with the cast for the new entry.

This fellow can be deleted:
http://hkmdb.com/db/people/view.mhtml?i ... ay_set=eng
His name "Wong Tai-Hung" is in fact the role name, and his role name "Ge Jian Jun" is in fact the name of the actor. This mistake was obviously copied from the IPOK credits (AWT credits list actor & role in the right order). Ge Jian-Jun already exists here:
http://hkmdb.com/db/people/view.mhtml?i ... ay_set=eng

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http://hkmdb.com/db/people/view.mhtml?i ... ay_set=eng
The same mistake happened here, so this person can be deleted too. 花白鳳 is in fact the role name of Fu Hong-Suet's (Ti Lung) alleged mother "Fa Pak Hung".

http://hkmdb.com/db/people/view.mhtml?i ... ay_set=eng
This person contains a typo, the credits of both IPOK and AWT list 袁玫, not 袁玖.
So she either can be deleted or changed into 袁玫, depends on whether the following actress is the person who really played "Fa Pak Hung":
http://hkmdb.com/db/people/view.mhtml?i ... y_set=big5
For comparison I made two screenshots of her.
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For me there's a similarity, but this should be checked by an expert (I'm only expert in mixing up persons)
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Re: A Warrior's Tragedy 1993

Postby calros » Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:47 am

If nobody stops me in 15 days I will change them.
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Re: A Warrior's Tragedy 1993

Postby Chen Hung Lieh » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:55 am

Here are the data for a new entry of "Invincible Power of Kindness":

Related Cover/poster:
http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/image_detail ... ay_set=eng
http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/image_detail ... ay_set=eng
http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/image_detail ... ay_set=eng

Related Screenhots:
http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/image_detail ... ay_set=eng
http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/image_detail ... ay_set=eng

Titles
仁者無敵
The Invincible Power of Kindness

(There are no alias titles to my knowledge)
Year 1995
Origin: Hong Kong
Languages: Cantonese & Mandarin
Rating: II A (Hong Kong)


Director
Frankie Chan Fan-Kei (1)

Cast
Ti Lung
Frankie Chan Fan-Kei (1)
Ida Chan Yuk-Lin
Anita Yuen Wing-Yee
Fennie Yuen Kit-Ying
Chak Ying
Xu Huan-Shan
Tsui Lam
Fung Hak-On
Chuk Lik-Keung
Kou Zhan-Wen
Nip Kwan
Chiu Chak-Yan
Zhang Xu-Zheng
Ge Jian-Jun
Chan Lam (1)
Mang Tak-Ying
Lee Siu-Yue
Suen Ngok
Lee Shut (2)
Chan Pang-Fei
Li Xiang (4)
Zhang Zi-Cheng
Ye Hui (2)

Production Company
Frankie Films Co., Ltd.

Filming Company
China Film Co-Production Corp.

Producer
Frankie Chan Fan-Kei (1)

Action Directors
Kou Zhan-Wen
Chuk Lik-Keung
Ling Kwan
Nip Kwan
Kung Lap-Fung
Yam Chi-Kong
Cheng Chun-Yue

Cinematographer
Ng Wing-Git (2)

Music
Roel A. Garcia

Art Director
Shandy Lui Fung-Shan

Costume Designer
David Lo Kin-Ming
Liu Ying-Zi
李秋娥
包香蘭

Editor
Siu Nam

Script
Chow Jan-Wing
Lee Bing-Gwong

Script Supervisor
Lee Hiu-Lai

Story
Ku Long

Unit Production Manager
Wa Ching-Tat

Production Manager
Ma Lit (2)

Assistant Director
Cheung Yiu-Tak
Xue Jian (1)

Sound Recordist
Kei Wang-Yuen

Makeup
Su Bu-De
Su Hong

Props
Lam Kei-Hung
Xu Shi-Sui
Zhao Wei-Jian

特技組 (Stunt Team):
大白馬
耿展鵬
侯月秋 (maybe Hou Yue-Qiu (2) ??)

Sound F/X
吳國華 Ng Kwok-Wah

爆破組 (Demolition Team):
張春伸 (maybe alias for action directer Zhang Chun-Zhong 張春仲?)

風箏指導:
孔令民

Lighting:
Cheng Ga-Shing (1)
Li Pei-Yu
郭開元
張懷樹

Still Photographer
毅力



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I will later post all data to be deleted from the A Warrior's Tragedy entry.
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Re: A Warrior's Tragedy 1993

Postby calros » Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:04 am

Chen Hung Lieh wrote:This fellow can be deleted:
http://hkmdb.com/db/people/view.mhtml?i ... ay_set=eng
His name "Wong Tai-Hung" is in fact the role name, and his role name "Ge Jian Jun" is in fact the name of the actor. This mistake was obviously copied from the IPOK credits (AWT credits list actor & role in the right order). Ge Jian-Jun already exists here:
http://hkmdb.com/db/people/view.mhtml?i ... ay_set=eng


Removed

王大洪
Wong Tai-Hung

Filmography (1993)

Actor (1 film)
A Warrior's Tragedy (1993) ... Ge Jian Jun, Kwan's assassin
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Re: A Warrior's Tragedy 1993

Postby calros » Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:06 am

Chen Hung Lieh wrote:http://hkmdb.com/db/people/view.mhtml?id=19135&display_set=eng
The same mistake happened here, so this person can be deleted too. 花白鳳 is in fact the role name of Fu Hong-Suet's (Ti Lung) alleged mother "Fa Pak Hung".


Removed:

花白鳳 ♀
花白凤
Tut Pak-Fung

Filmography (1993)

Actor (1 film)
A Warrior's Tragedy (1993) ... Ma Fak Fung/Yuan Mei
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Re: A Warrior's Tragedy 1993

Postby calros » Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:09 am

Chen Hung Lieh wrote:http://hkmdb.com/db/people/view.mhtml?id=42765&display_set=eng
This person contains a typo, the credits of both IPOK and AWT list 袁玫, not 袁玖.
So she either can be deleted or changed into 袁玫, depends on whether the following actress is the person who really played "Fa Pak Hung":
http://hkmdb.com/db/people/view.mhtml?i ... y_set=big5
For comparison I made two screenshots of her.
Image Image
For me there's a similarity, but this should be checked by an expert (I'm only expert in mixing up persons)


Merged:

袁玫(1) ♀
Yuan Mei (1)
Yuen Mui
Born: 1935

Filmography (1957-2011)

Actor (7 films)
The Footprints of Youth (1957)
Second Handshake (1980)
Intimate Friends (1981)
Tears in Suzhou (1985) ... Mrs. Wang
Revengence Superlady (1986) ... He Mei
Inside an Old Grave (1991)
Guo Mingyi (2011) ... Leukemia boy's grandmother

and

袁玖
Yuan Jiu
Yuen Kau

Filmography (1993)

Actor (1 film)
A Warrior's Tragedy (1993) ... Fa Pak Fung
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