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Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:44 pm
by Gaijin84
http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/credits.mhtml?id=6057&display_set=eng

English version, these are a mess... I don't see any resemblance to existing credits other than Jackie, Brigitte, Wang Yu Adam Cheng. Might not want to even add aliases.

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:30 pm
by Gaijin84
Also added credits from the re-edited version entitled "Fire Dragon." These are the ones with the red backgrounds.

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:28 pm
by calros
added new pres., new prod. man, new plan., new dir., new writer and 3 new actors.

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:15 pm
by Michael Kistner
I think we should not add the cast and crew from the re-edited version entitled "Fire Dragon" to the original entry of "Fantasy Mission Force".

I have both versions and "Fire Dragon" is a complete different movie that includes many scenes from FANTASY, but many new scenes. Lu I-Chan, Kwan Chung and Li Jian-Ping are only in "Fire Dragon" and Chester Wong/Wong Fei-Lung are only the director/the action director of "Fire Dragon".

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:54 pm
by Gaijin84
Michael Kistner wrote:I think we should not add the cast and crew from the re-edited version entitled "Fire Dragon" to the original entry of "Fantasy Mission Force".

I have both versions and "Fire Dragon" is a complete different movie that includes many scenes from FANTASY, but many new scenes. Lu I-Chan, Kwan Chung and Li Jian-Ping are only in "Fire Dragon" and Chester Wong/Wong Fei-Lung are only the director/the action director of "Fire Dragon".


Do you think it should be a separate entry in the database?

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:31 am
by calros
If you want to separate these two movies you must open a poll.
Time ago, I proposed split the movies "Master with Cracked Fingers" (1979) and "The Cub Tiger from Kwangtung" (1973) and most of the editors voted "NO"...

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:22 pm
by Michael Kistner
"""Do you think it should be a separate entry in the database?"""

I think yes or we add comments behind the names of the FIRE DRAGON cast - but with the crew credits it is not possible.

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:44 pm
by Gaijin84
Michael Kistner wrote:"""Do you think it should be a separate entry in the database?"""

I think yes or we add comments behind the names of the FIRE DRAGON cast - but with the crew credits it is not possible.


If we did add it as a separate entry, I think it should only include the cast and crew that appear in the re-edit, along with a note to see the other entry (in this case Fantasy Mission Force) for the remaining cast & crew. These entries should probably also contain a lengthy explanation in the plot summary/editor notes that all people can see.

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:38 am
by Michael Kistner
That cast appears in the new footage in FIRE DRAGON:

Kwan Chung
Lu I-Chan
Li Jian-Ping
Chen Hung-Lieh (is in new and old scenes)
Gam Dai (is in new and old scenes)
Yuen Sam
Wong Yiu (2)(extra)
Choi Chung-Chau (extra)
Ho Wai-Hung (extra)

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:43 am
by Gaijin84
To complicate this even more :P, I've added the credits from the original version... maybe we need to re-open the discussion on creating a new entry for Fire Dragon? Poll as carlos mentioned?

http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/credits.mhtml?id=6057&display_set=eng

btw Michael, where is Gam Dai in the original version?

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:28 am
by Michael Kistner
You can see Gam Dai on the cast page:

http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/image_detail ... ay_set=eng

His name is credited in the cast list of the original movie.

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:50 am
by Teddy Wong
I haven't seen "Fire dragon", but if there is a big difference between versions, I think we should make it like these two:

http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=15104
http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=10388

or these

http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=14550
http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=15115

and connect them in "Links" section.

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:20 pm
by Gaijin84
Teddy Wong wrote:I haven't seen "Fire dragon", but if there is a big difference between versions, I think we should make it like these two:

http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=15104
http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=10388

or these

http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=14550
http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=15115

and connect them in "Links" section.


I would agree - I didn't realize those had been split out already, I'm glad to see they have been. My thought is that all those Godfrey Ho ninja splices should have two separate entries with a clearly stated explanation and link between the two. In terms of accurate information, that is probably the best way. With that done, I am tending to lean towards carlos's suggestion of splitting Cub Tiger from Kwangtung and Master with Cracked Fingers, especially if different cast members appear in each.

Michael Kistner wrote:You can see Gam Dai on the cast page:

http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/image_detail ... ay_set=eng

His name is credited in the cast list of the original movie.


My apologies, I meant Gam Ban. I didn't see her in the original version I watched.

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:18 am
by Michael Kistner
I would agree to Teddy Wong's idea to split the movies that way.

My apologies, I meant Gam Ban. I didn't see her in the original version I watched.


I also did not see Gam Ban in FANTASY - but her name is in the credits.


It is always funny to watch "Godfrey Ho ninja splices" - but in many cases I would prefer to have the original movie. Maybe it's interesting for Teddy Wong: in most of the ninja movies with action direction of Chiang Tao (Tony Kong) Sun Chien appears as stuntman or supporting actor/extra.

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:26 am
by Teddy Wong
Maybe it's interesting for Teddy Wong: in most of the ninja movies with action direction of Chiang Tao (Tony Kong) Sun Chien appears as stuntman or supporting actor/extra.

Thanks! Good to know!
I guess, you mean Filmark movies, as Chiang Tao worked at first on IFD and then moved to Filmark (IFD and Filmark were rivals).

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:40 am
by Michael Kistner
I guess, you mean Filmark movies, as Chiang Tao worked at first on IFD and then moved to Filmark (IFD and Filmark were rivals).


I made a list with movies I've seen Sun Chien and Chiang Tao (I have only movies released in Germany and some English titles are from not good sources):

Sun Chien:

Actor/extra/stuntman in:

Golden Ninja Invasion
Vampire Rider Ninja Queen
Ninja Project Daredevil
Ninja in the Killing Fields (what a great title)
Counter Attack
Mission Fireflame
Ninja's Extreme Weapons

Chiang Tao:

Actor and action:
Ninja's Extreme Weapons
Invasion/Raiding Invaders
Robo Vampire
Ninja Invasion
Ninja Project Daredevil
Golden Ninja Invasion
Mission Warflame

Actor and maybe action:
Ninja Terminator
Ninja Thunderbolt

Action director:
Twinkle Ninja Invasion
Ninja in the Killing Fields
Ninja: American Warrior
Shadow Killers Tiger Force
Ninja Challenge
Vampire Rider Ninja Queen

In NINJA'S EXTREME WEAPONS are also Chang Seng-Kwong, Lui Siu-Ming and that often seen actor/extra as main villain:

http://www.hkmdb.com/db/movies/image_de ... ay_set=eng

Possible names:

http://www.ofdb.de/film/22712,American- ... me-Weapons

Added Unknown SB-Actor(14) to SCORPION THUNDERBOLT and Wong Kwok-Leung to MAJESTIC THUNDERBOLT.

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:14 am
by Michael Kistner
I haven't seen "Fire dragon", but if there is a big difference between versions, I think we should make it like these two:

http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=15104
http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=10388

or these

http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=14550
http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=15115

and connect them in "Links" section.


I would agree


Someone disagree if I make it that way?
It hurts me to look at the filmography of Chester Wong and Wong Fei-Lung and to see FANTASY MISSION FORCE wrongly listed.

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:00 pm
by Gaijin84
Michael Kistner wrote:Someone disagree if I make it that way?
It hurts me to look at the filmography of Chester Wong and Wong Fei-Lung and to see FANTASY MISSION FORCE wrongly listed.


I still think it's the way to go, makes the most sense. Carlos?

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:23 pm
by calros
calros wrote:If you want to separate these two movies you must open a poll.
Time ago, I proposed split the movies "Master with Cracked Fingers" (1979) and "The Cub Tiger from Kwangtung" (1973) and most of the editors voted "NO"...

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:51 am
by Michael Kistner
If you want to separate these two movies you must open a poll.


I don't know how to make a poll.

We have 3 votes for separate these two movies.

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:59 pm
by calros
Sorry I did not know in this new forum we cannot open a poll now.

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:58 pm
by Michael Kistner
If nobody objects I separate the two movies in a few days (maybe next week)

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:24 pm
by Gaijin84
Michael Kistner wrote:If nobody objects I separate the two movies in a few days (maybe next week)


I think there are only 3 or 4 people still left at this forum to vote :?

Re: Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:13 am
by Michael Kistner