2007: The Digital Scrounge

Discussions on Asian cinemas: Japanese, Korean, Thai, ....

Postby Masterofoneinchpunch » Tue May 15, 2007 8:02 pm

Quick note: Amazon has a 35% off on Criterion -- http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?docId=1000069941.

Selection is small and there are only two Asian (both Japanese) but if you want a great version of Seven Samurai or Ozu's Late Spring (I have both, well technically I only have the older SS and recommend both unless you are not into slow drama then no Ozu for you :-)). Will Brian get Monsters and Madmen (I have it).

I've almost bought the Mills Creek pack several times (it was in my wish list at Amazon one time). I thought Breakout From Oppression was the GOrdon Liu/Dean Shek film? If it is it is not worth watching (unless you like torturing yourself).
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Postby Brian Thibodeau » Tue May 15, 2007 10:20 pm

Masterofoneinchpunch wrote:Quick note: Amazon has a 35% off on Criterion -- Will Brian get Monsters and Madmen (I have it).


:lol:

I caught wind of that sale earlier today and had a look. Some very good stuff there, but I've pretty much got the ones I want from that list...except MONSTERS AND MADMEN. How did you know I'd go after something like that? Actually, I'm not entirely certain I will go after it. I've had the Image DVDs of ATOMIC SUBMARINE, FIRST MAN INTO SPACE and HAUNTED STRANGLER for several years now (even held onto them when they went OOP and were fetching big $ on ebay. D'oh!). I used to have a VHS for CORRIDORS OF BLOOD, but that's long gone. This new set is VERY appealing, largely because of the commentaries with Tom Weaver and the original producers, but I'm still not sure I need to double dip on those titles! ATOMIC is really my only favourite of the bunch. :?

I've almost bought the Mills Creek pack several times (it was in my wish list at Amazon one time). I thought Breakout From Oppression was the GOrdon Liu/Dean Shek film? If it is it is not worth watching (unless you like torturing yourself).


All of the Mill Creek 50 packs were price-reduced earlier this year, so even at around $16-$17 U.S. they're a bargain even without Deep Discount's further reduction. Obviously, technical quality is likely low, but as with the old Brentwood 10- and 20-packs, there are occasional surprises. Don't know for sure about BREAKOUT, though. I know some of the reviews at Amazon.com have responses where people correct some of the misconceptions on the packaging. I took that into account and amended the full list when I posted it here. But you never know with these things...
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Postby Masterofoneinchpunch » Wed May 16, 2007 4:39 pm

I just had this feeling that you might like that set :-) I see you are familiar will all of that work; myself, I'm a Boris Karloff fan and sometimes older B-Movie fan so it was a natural pickup; I still haven't heard the commentaries but I've watched all the extras (the Yvonne Romain interview is awesome).

I could have said you wanted Equinox :-D (yes I have this too and watched all extras including commentaries). Hmmm, another influence to Evil Dead.

Now to partially bring this back to the thread theme: finally watched Fearless last night (forever catching up); good not great (won't go into detail here) but has anyone seen the 141m version (and is it technically a director's cut)? Reviews on Amazon are positive but I'll believe the more knowledgable people here with their opinions. How are Michelle Yeoh's scenes (apparently as a Chinese diplomat)? Here is hmkdb's small thread on this http://hkmdb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t= ... t=fearless

The one scene that is on the R1 disk that's considered cut was superfluous so I can see why it was removed (it possibly make take away some of the power of the final fight by repeating a certain scenario). The stage work was too obvious (you felt like it took place on a stage) in the beginning of that scene too, though it was still nice to watch.
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Postby Brian Thibodeau » Wed May 16, 2007 5:09 pm

I just had this feeling that you might like that set I see you are familiar will all of that work; myself, I'm a Boris Karloff fan and sometimes older B-Movie fan so it was a natural pickup; I still haven't heard the commentaries but I've watched all the extras (the Yvonne Romain interview is awesome).


Karloff was class. Even in his worst movies, late-life junk like FEAR CHAMBER and such, he gave so much more than many actors would have with such material.

As to B-movies, I've been, and always will be, a lifelong fan. One great thing about being part of the video generation (I'm a bit young to have serious first-hand grindhouse experience, which was too far from where I lived anyway), was all the mom & pop stores in my old city that had massive reserves of musty, wonderful clamshell VHS schlock to supplement their new releases. I'm sure this is a familiar scenario for many folks around here. In fact, that's precisely how I came across my first "official" Hong Kong movie experience, circa 1988, ACES GO PLACES II—under the guise of MAD MISSION in an oversize box with a million stickers all over it—and came to be the addict I am today. I put "official" in quotes because up until then, I'd only seen bits and pieces of dreary, washed-out "kung-fu theatre" type stuff on local TV in the late 70's and early 80's when I was a kid, hardly an age to really appreciate what I was seeing.


I could have said you wanted Equinox (yes I have this too and watched all extras including commentaries). Hmmm, another influence to Evil Dead.


I was on the fence on that one for awhile (mainly due to the price), but ultimately put it on the back burner indefinitely. I can dig it's historical importance to the world of special effects-based cinema that came to be in the years after it was made, but I just couldn't justify that kind of money for what is essentially a glorified home movie. Still, I am curious to see WKRP's Herb Tarlek in an early role, so you never know. ;)


I have FEARLESS on the pile, but have yet to watch it. I'd imagine I should probably see both at some point. :?
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Postby cal42 » Wed May 16, 2007 6:56 pm

I've got the 99m version of FEARLESS but I haven't watched it either. I don't know why I bought it to be honest. Well, I do - Play.com made me an offer I couldn't refuse.

Actually, while I'm on the subject, here's a list of a bunch of films I've had for a while (or in some cases many years) and never watched. Any films on here that I MUST see?

Iron Bodyguard
Heroes Shed No Tears (Cho Yuan, not John Woo)
The Shadow Boxing
Fearless
Hero (Jet Li)
The Avenging Fist
The Tricky Master
All's Well, Ends Well
Lawyer, Lawyer
I Love Maria

I Love Maria looks quite fun and I keep wondering why I've never watched it! Some of the others I really don't know why I bought them.
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Postby Brian Thibodeau » Wed May 16, 2007 9:28 pm

Got 'em all, but I've only watched two of 'em :oops: : dumb title aside, I LOVE MARIA is a blast. It's the kind of science-fiction that could only come from Hong Kong, but then again, so is AVENGING FIST, which is not without merit (and tonnes of computer effects), though it's probably best viewed with more modest expectations; under such circumstances, it's fairly fun.
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Postby MrBooth » Thu May 17, 2007 4:34 am

FEARLESS and HERO are both great, the rest are all varying shades of OK to good... IRON BODYGUARD perhaps the best (my memory is dim on it though). I actually enjoyed AVENGING FIST a lot, despite obvious flaws - it's certainly different and pretty. I actually like LAWYER, LAWYER quite a bit, but I appear to be in a minority. I don't remember liking TRICKY MASTER that much, but it's been a long time since I saw it (oh, actually I was thinking of TRICKY BRAINS - TRICKY MASTER was absolutely crap!)
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Postby Masterofoneinchpunch » Thu May 17, 2007 4:53 pm

I also strongly recommend Hero (even over Fearless) an absolute sublime Wu Xia (yes nationalistic and revisionist) film (ewaffle has a good review here, as well as others too, though it has spoilers so probably avoid until seeing the movie).

Small note on Heaven and Hell: another beautiful release by Celestial/Image (yes Celestial did the work :-)). This was such a weird film. It is split into three sections (Heaven, Earth, Hell). The first two sections are quite short (even with their own screen credits) and by the second act I was thinking this was almost an avant-garde Cheh piece (and I thought it might have been a love story but knowing Cheh I knew it wasn't going to go in that direction). The second set used minimalist set pieces and resembled a cross between a 60's play and Guys and Dolls (I think their is another musical influence to this section so if anyone knows please mention it). The third and longest section is the Jigoku inspired Hell setting (this concept has probably been used a variety of times but the look and feel of the set design really makes me think of Jigoku). Oh and it features the main cast of Five Deadly Venoms.
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Postby cal42 » Thu May 17, 2007 6:00 pm

Thanks for the feedback. I will actually watch Maria tonight, and will attempt to fit the others in, except TRICKY MASTER which I might put to use as a coaster now.
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Postby Brian Thibodeau » Sat May 19, 2007 2:33 am

A modest selection of goodies arrived today:

Some DVDs from Hong Kong, oldies and newies (enlightening comments always welcome):

THE DRAGON CREEK (1966; IVL) Cheng Pei-Pei, China Han. Thought the concept of a "kung-fu Nancy Drew" as described on the sleeve sounded kinda fun. Or something.
DUEL FOR GOLD (1971; IVL ) Ivy Ling Po, Chin Han, Lo Lieh

HAUNTED SCHOOL (2007; Joy Sales) Steven Cheung, Theresa Fu. Bought this on Mr. Thomason's recommendation, so it better be good! :lol:
CONFESSION OF PAIN (2007; Megastar) Tony Leung, Takeshi Kaneshiro. Thought I had this already, but found no trace of it. Hopefully I won't suddenly find a trace of it and have two on my hands! :evil:
LADY IRON CHEF (2007; Charmaine Sheh, Hacken Lee)

and from Japan (via HK)
NEVER GIVE UP (1978; IVL Kadokawa Series) Hiroko Yakushimaru, Ken Takakura. Wanted this for years, but held off on the U.S. edition. Good thing, as this was a bit cheaper.


And another order of wonderful VCD luridness, this batch from Yesasia, including:

THE MISTERY OF BIG BOOBS (1993; Universe) Crystal Kwok, Bonnie Fu. Despite the title, this carries a Category I rating! :shock:
LADIES KILLER (1992; WingArtist) Carrie Ng, Melvin Wong
I WILL EAT YOU (2000; Universe) Hugo Ng, Strawberry Yeung. The DB has this as Cat. III, but the disc says Cat. II, so we'll see.

GAMBLER SERIES: RAKE GAMBLER (2006; Winner's Video)
GAMBLER SERIES: PERFECT SKILL (2006; Winner's Video)
These were actually ordered for Bearserk, but I've got permission to watch them before I send then. Just too DTV trashy to resist!

and finally, the piece de-resistance of the scrounge so far, the first installment of probably one of the most talked about series in Hong Kong cinema history....






Wait for it.....









LEGEND ABOUT HUNTING GHOST 1 (2002; Anne Lau, Ellien Chin, Tim Tam). Took me a bit of hunting to find a place still selling this one. Got the second part in a store here in the city, and parts 3-5 from Poker, but at least three online retailers were out of stock on this one. :shock: Though probably not because it was a big seller of anything. Of course, if people knew you could put all five sleeves together to do this:



















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They'd probably change their tune! 8)
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Postby Mike Thomason » Sat May 19, 2007 10:52 am

Brian Thibodeau wrote:HAUNTED SCHOOL (2007; Joy Sales) Steven Cheung, Theresa Fu. Bought this on Mr. Thomason's recommendation, so it better be good! :lol:


Likewise, Mr Thibodeau, I'll be coming looking for you if this copy of Apartment that has not long arrived here isn't pure gold...hehehe...hehehe...ha :P

Oh yeah, some (apparently) OOP discs that showed up again online recently:

F***/Off! (Hong Kong) (DVD)
IQ Dudettes (Hong Kong) (DVD)
There Is A Secret In My Soup (Hong Kong) (DVD)
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Postby Masterofoneinchpunch » Mon May 21, 2007 4:41 pm

After a tea and pastry run (and an errant durian in the boot; damn durian) in San Jose I got the following at the nearest Frys:

Shaolin Family Soccer (2004) -- no mention here on HKMDB; Image site (and a few others) state this as HK.
The Lower Depths (1957) Japan -- Criterion (I finally have all Kurosawa Criterion films; this also comes with the original Jean Renoir version too; both based on Maxim Gorky's play; I only mention this because I also bought Renoir's Le Bete Humaine which probably should not be mentioned here either :-))
Legendary Weapons of China (1982) HK Image/Celestial -- Really looking forward to watching this.
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Postby cal42 » Wed May 23, 2007 8:04 pm

So what's THE HAUNTED SCHOOL like?
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Postby Brian Thibodeau » Wed May 23, 2007 11:48 pm

cal42 wrote:So what's THE HAUNTED SCHOOL like?


You can find some comments from Mike about ten or twelve posts down in this thread:
http://hkmdb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=46683

Haven't seen it myself yet, so hopefully others can chime in.
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Postby Brian Thibodeau » Sat May 26, 2007 6:47 pm

Well, I finally checked off one of the important things to do in my life.

I watched the entire LEGEND ABOUT HUNTING GHOST series.

Discovered a few things:

1) These are Malaysian, so we should change their country of origin in the DB. I started to, but the problem is, we don't have a "Malaysia" in the list of countries, just Singapore, and I'm not entirely sure that's where these originated from. At least one of the shows expressly mentions Kuala Lumpur, and the fifth one if absolutely littered with Malay-specific superstition and hoo-doo from the sticks, though I wouldn't be surprised if producer-director Tim Tam was making most of it up.

2) Tim Tam is a smartass. In episode 3, he opens the show reading viewer mail suggesting that the show is a hoax and that the female hostesses are needlessly dressed in skimpy attire. His response? Smaller bathing suits and shorter shorts! :lol: Absolutely friggin' hilarious. I really don't know how this guy even keeps a straight face as he leads these women into derelict buildings and rather polluted looking lakes. On inflatable alligators, no less!

3) Tim Tam is a classic showman even though his budget just barely covers the swimwear he puts on his hostesses. In episode 1, there's a small but noticeable amount of video distortion: mostly little blips and blurps and a longer spell where the image flips into black and white and back to colour. Just when you're about ready to attribute it all to budgetary restraints or cheap equipment, Tim pulls the ace out of his sleeve: when the girls are playing "plate spirit" (which is basically Quija with an overturned cup on a sheet of Chinese characters) in a derelict apartment tower, suddenly the sounds of a woman sobbing can be heard�conveniently in the room NEXT to the one where they decide to play the game :lol: �and just as a thud rings out on the metal door connecting the rooms, the video goes all swishy and cuts out, at which point a title card (in Chinese) pops up claiming the "ghosts" prevented the cameras from working or some such nonsense! Tim assumes, of course, that you'll remember the earlier glitches and realize that they, too, were evidence of spectral tampering! Clever boy.

4) Episode 4 is probably the most effective, though 1-3 are fairly higher on the sex appeal scale. The girls in this one are a more interesting mix of faces, including an Indian girl who speaks fluent Cantonese, but the swimsuits and shorts are a bit on the conservative side (perhaps Tim got his hand slapped for Part 3?). Tim pushes these poor ladies more than he did the ones in previous episodes, probably because he's yet to prove ANYTHING outside of the attractiveness of young models in swimsuits. At the "mining pool" that shows up in other episodes, he responds to the ladies' unwillingness to swim out near a yawning vertical mine shaft surrounded by twisted rebar�even after his bribes and threats�with a real gem: "Girls nowadays are harder to force." :shock: The derelict building in this one is an old hospital, and as usual, they find nothing, but the place is genuinely creepy and the girls show more genuine fear than any of their predecessors. In fact, it's a little uncomfortable to watch them be put through such an emotional wringer in pursuit of something that anyone with common sense knows does not exist, but it's actually effective because of it. A shuffle here; a creaky water pipe there; a flashlight shining on a rafter: these are Tim's evidence of the paranormal. Well, that and a few "invisible" crew members who the hostesses aren't aware of that can break a mirror downstairs while "everyone" is seemingly upstairs.

5) Episode five is kind of embarrassing, although this could be because I'm not Malaysian. Or superstitious. The whole concept is revamped here. No more hostess trios. No more bikinis. No short-shorts. This time a single hostess interviews a woman, behind frosted glass, who relates the story of her husband being possessed by a trio of "Blackmen," oily, boxer-short-clad child-spirit-demon-thingies that disguise as his mahjong buddies and who are known to break into houses to steal things and rape women (funny how such a distasteful, male-centric activity is also conveniently popular with ghosts). This tale is re-enacted with cut-rate actors (the main actress was actually a hostess in the first episode). In the "reality" portion of the show, the hostess ventures out to the boonies, where the men in a remote village�most of whom just look unemployed, drunk and all too willing to cater to the producer's wishful thinking�gather at night to hunt a "Blackman" who has, according to the flimsiest yokel evidence, been giving them some troubles with break-ins and raping (alwaaaays blame the ghost, yeah, that's the ticket!). They arm themselves with with celphones, guns and machetes and, in more evidence of Tim Tam's out-dated flim-flammery, very nearly catch the little beasty before it disappears into the forest. Oddly, though, the deliberately brief glimpse of the thing reveals it looks identical to the version shown in the dramatization! What a coincidence!

So are these worth getting? Parts 1-4 are for sure, but purely as silly exploitation "reality" programming. Each runs between 55 and 65 minutes, which suggests they were either made exclusively for the home video market, or were perhaps aired on television (thus the whole "viewer mail" routine in Part 3). Part 5 is pretty sad, despite an improvement in production values and a strange but largely unconvincing cocktail of muslim and buddhist would-be mysticism.
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Postby Mike Thomason » Sun May 27, 2007 2:30 am

Brian Thibodeau wrote:I watched the entire LEGEND ABOUT HUNTING GHOST series...These are Malaysian...


When I saw this, I immediately show my wife this thread and asked her if she'd heard of them -- the answer was a big, fat no. Malaysian TV is pretty conservative, so if there's scantily clad women in the series I very much doubt it would have been produced for television (we're talking about a country that pixelates images of women's cleavage so as to obscure such images in its various media outlets -- Malaysia is VERY conservative!). But she did tell me that the title on the box you have pictured above is "Scared to Death". :)

Hey! If they're Malaysian titles...why are they in the DB? :shock:
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Postby Brian Thibodeau » Sun May 27, 2007 4:53 am

Mike Thomason wrote:
Brian Thibodeau wrote:I watched the entire LEGEND ABOUT HUNTING GHOST series...These are Malaysian...


When I saw this, I immediately show my wife this thread and asked her if she'd heard of them -- the answer was a big, fat no. Malaysian TV is pretty conservative, so if there's scantily clad women in the series I very much doubt it would have been produced for television (we're talking about a country that pixelates images of women's cleavage so as to obscure such images in its various media outlets -- Malaysia is VERY conservative!). But she did tell me that the title on the box you have pictured above is "Scared to Death". :)


:lol:

I was actually hoping you'd chime in here! Kinda figured our Malaysian correspondent(s) would be able to add some thoughts! I was fairly certain they weren't made for TV, but wanted to float that one out there just to cover the bases. I've heard you mention (perhaps at another forum?) that the Malaysian home video market is a little more open (or perhaps harder to enforce with all the boots?), so perhaps these were made for that market? Heck, they could have been made for export only for all I know.

The women in parts 1-4 are most definitely scantily clad, though I'm certain non-Malaysian viewers might find it rather par-for-the-course since we're much more used to such images in everyday life. The swimsuits are all one-pieces until that third episode where Tim Tam reads the complaint mail, and then all the sudden they're wearing bikinis! :lol: The girls in episode 4, however, are back to the more conservative one-pieces and their shorts ensembles now include those long, colourful Indian-style scarves draped around their necks and shoulders. That's why I had to wonder if Tam had maybe taken some heat for episode 3.

Just out of curiosity, and since you're likely to know, would the conservative attitudes towards media portrayals of scantily-clad women also apply in the "real world" of Malaysia? I mean, I know some of the country's censorship issues from what I read in papers and online (including the recent brouhaha over the rather tame version of Playboy put out there), but I assume women are at least free to wear swimwear under the appropriate conditions (like a day at the beach, etc.) if they're not forbidden to do so by religion etc.? I can't imagine Tim Tam and his crew were actually running afoul of any laws in taking the girls to what seem to be remote but public spaces without a lot of clothing, but then again, there really didn't seem to be any people visible for miles in some of those scenes! :?



But she did tell me that the title on the box you have pictured above is "Scared to Death".


Crap! Which one? I found subtitles for all of them on a retail website today and added them as aliases, but if there's room for something more accurate...



Hey! If they're Malaysian titles...why are they in the DB? :shock:


I'll take 100% full responsibility for this, but hopefully I can be given the benefit of the doubt—and there was a LOT of doubt about these.

At first, I only had the second installment on VCD (picked up at a local Chinese video shop) and to be honest, with so much of it set in graveyards and derelict buildings at night, it was very difficult to figure out where, exactly, the action was taking place. Everyone was clearly speaking Cantonese (regional dialect of it, perhaps? Not sure), so I had little choice but to assume it was from Hong Kong (for the time being) as I could find absolutely nothing about any of these programs on the web. Most of the retailers who still sell them oh-so-helpfully list them as just "Chinese" which also hobbles attempts to regionalize them. In fact, our best bet to do so probably would have been you or your wife (and even then, there still aren't very many visual clues), but I think the odds of you folks even bothering with programs like these were pretty slim! :lol:

It wasn't until I watched the third one yesterday that I picked up the mention of one of the sites being in Kuala Lumpur, and then noted the credits (the longest of any in the set, strangely) made additional references to Malaysian companies.

Part 5, which is different in style to the other four, is the most easily identifiable with it's mix of faces, pan-religious mysticism and languages (the host speaks Cantonese to the camera, but in Malay [correct me if that's an improper term!] to the rural men with guns). But of course, I watched that one dead last.

Naturally, by this time, all five films had long been in the database thanks to our screenshots, so yes, we now know they don't really belong there, but since there seems to be no Malaysian Movie Database forthcoming anytime soon where I can place all the screenshots and reviews, I'm hoping the work of Mr. Bearserk and myself will not be in vain. :cry: I like to think that somewhere in this world there's another curious soul who might stumble across these in a bargain bin somewhere, and we can at least save him the frustration of a long and fruitless search for information!
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Postby Mike Thomason » Sun May 27, 2007 5:53 am

Brian Thibodeau wrote:Just out of curiosity, and since you're likely to know, would the conservative attitudes towards media portrayals of scantily-clad women also apply in the "real world" of Malaysia? I mean, I know some of the country's censorship issues from what I read in papers and online (including the recent brouhaha over the rather tame version of Playboy put out there), but I assume women are at least free to wear swimwear under the appropriate conditions (like a day at the beach, etc.) if they're not forbidden to do so by religion etc.?


Pretty much re: question one. I frequent Sarawak which, although a state of Malaysia, isn't really a bonafide original part of Malaysia (it was formerly simply part of the rest of the island of Borneo...eh, read the Wiki entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarawak) and things are a little different there to what they are on the Peninsula. And by that I mean people are a little more tolerant, open and congenial than the West Malaysian parts of the state (from my experiences, I may add). But having said that I have only experienced Kuala Lumpur on the Peninsula, so that's perhaps a narrow comment to make on my behalf. There's a wide spread of different religious denominations in Malaysia, with Muslim and Christian faiths making up the majority followed by Buddhism, Hindu and a variety of animist beliefs in the remote regions (ie: natives to certain regions still follow long ingrained tribal beliefs) so, unlike many Western cultures who try to dictate the majority, there is the expectation to be mindful of wider and differing beliefs as a whole.

This is really a question that requires a very long reply and maybe one that I can't do proper justice in this thread. Mandy (evirei) would perhaps be the better person to ask, as she is a Malaysian native and thereby is ensconced in the culture on a daily basis. Suffice to say, and by way of example, one can be cautioned, fined or imprisoned for public displays of affection such as kissing or "passionate" embraces -- as such public displays of intimacy can be considered offensive to some members of the community under the code of their beliefs. I guess a lot of Western readers here will read that, scoff and think that such a thing is oppression and so forth, but it's just an entirely different culture with different morals and beliefs to their own. There's an old saying though, and that's "when in Rome do as the Romans do" and that's how I conduct myself when I'm visiting the region -- it's when people of different cultures start to try and impose their wills and/or beliefs on others who don't follow the same doctrines that friction and tempers inevitably flare. :(

NB: Public nudity is strictly forbidden and tourists are encouraged to dress modestly when out and about sightseeing or indulging the local entertainment venues and so on. Invariably, it's those that adopt the "bugger that, I'll do things the same way I do at home" mentality that often fall afoul of the domestic judiciary. Most travel guides detail appropriate behaviour whilst in Malaysia, usually on grounds of "religious sensitivity", and one can find booklets detailing appropriate etiquette in the rooms of all major hotels in the region as well -- so there really is no excuse if one travels there and (foolishly) decides to flaunt local laws. :wink:
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Postby Mike Thomason » Sun May 27, 2007 3:36 pm

Getting back to topic...

Barefoot, Gi-Bong (South Korea) (DVD)
Family Matters (South Korea) (DVD)
Love In Macau (Macau) (DVD)
Love Is A Crazy Thing (South Korea) (DVD)
Super Fans (Hong Kong) (DVD)

...never thought I'd say it, but that's all I can be bothered with this fortnight... :shock:
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Postby Brian Thibodeau » Sun May 27, 2007 6:12 pm

Thanks for the clarification, Mike! I had indeed thought of evirei, but since she hasn't been hanging about much recently, you and your wife more immediately sprang to mind! I'm seriously beginning to think the HUNTING programs might have been made for export! :lol:

It's indeed a bother when people take their bad habits with them wherever they go. While I'm thankful I enjoy the hard-won freedoms to thoughtfully and/or passionately criticize authority figures and, especially, religion in our westernized culture, as well as show moderate affection in public, I'd certainly put a lid on it in any country where it was liable to offend. It does bother me that some people, and not just westerners sadly, scoff at the such conservatism without understanding the culture that must live with it daily and for who knows how many more centuries. It might seem oppressive to some, but it's a different story if you've been raised in it and know no other way of living. Conversely, I can't help but wonder what it must be like for people from religiously conservative countries (even moreso than Malaysia) who move to places like Australia, Canada, Europe, etc., where our comparitively liberal attitudes aren't just the flippant acts of anti-authoritarianism they might seem at first glance, but are in fact the end results of long, hard processes of social evolution and progress. And so the world keeps on spinnin'...

And sort of on the topic...

I just watched an interesting-though-flawed documentary on our CBC network up here called BANGKOK GIRL (also known as FALANG: BEHIND BANGKOK'S SMILE, a much more telling title). It's about the prostitution racket in Thailand and while the film's flaws are too many to mention (first time director with a hot-button "issue," one-sided story, preconceived notions about another culture, seemingly little fact-checking, a main interview subject of dubious honesty, though the director seems oblivious etc.), there's one caucasian British dude who keeps popping up in "man-on-the-street" interviews, usually drunken, to essentially piss all over the culture while praising it's (in his eyes) vibrant sex industry. Yechh! Near the end, it's revealed that he's an ESL teacher who's been living there for something like five years, and the most he seems to have to show for it is his ability to get sodded and paw the "barbeer" girls. Mind you, Thailand's profitable sex racket all but caters to people like him (and worse), but it's shameful to watch nonetheless. The film has its moments, and is available on DVD, but it's probably better seen on TV for free.
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Postby Masterofoneinchpunch » Mon May 28, 2007 3:31 am

Masterofoneinchpunch wrote:Shaolin Family Soccer (2004) -- no mention here on HKMDB; Image site (and a few others) state this as HK.


FYI: this is known as Silly Kung Fu Family (it does not appear to be from HK either).

I just picked up:
Born to Fight (1986) Thailand
The Cave of the Silken Web (1967) Hong Kong
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Postby Brian Thibodeau » Wed May 30, 2007 2:58 pm

Watched NAKED AMBITION last night, with Louis Koo and Eason Chan as couple of laid-off editors who start up their own sex culture guide, told as a flashback via an awkward, cliched "interview" wth Koo. Just an OK little movie that comfortably (for its own sake, I suppose) avoids any serious social commentary about the sordid world in which it's set, and opts instead for a supporting cast of harmlessly "wacky" fringe dwellers. The story, supposedly rooted in the real-life exploits of one of it's writers, seems whitewashed to say the least, and the Chinese cast indulges in such conservative sexuality that literally dozens of Japanese a/v breasts had to be imported just to get the Category III rating. More of a buddy-buddy love story than anything, but I'll give the creators credit for at least taking a matter-of-fact approach the effects such a venture would have on regular relationships. The ending's a bit much, though, and I really don't see what Josie Ho did to deserve a best supporting actress award besides play against type. She's good, but...

Worth watching if you can find it cheap.
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Postby Brian Thibodeau » Thu May 31, 2007 12:57 am

For those who might have avoided them individually, the folks at Media Blasters/Tokyo Shock are releasing yet another triple-pack bundle, this time for three rather good Japanese fantasy movies: MATANGO, THE MYSTERIANS and VARAN: THE UNBELIEVABLE.
http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.542 ... etails.htm

I should know better with this company. Just about everything they releases ends up in three pack bundles, so it stood to reason I could have simply waited on these and got all three of them for about half the combined price I paid. Live and learn.

Nonetheless, all three of these are excellent discs, with restored widescreen prints, original audio, lots of extras, etc. Well worth picking up. Amazon's pre-order price is a bit steep:
http://www.amazon.com/Toho-Triple-Featu ... 000QGDXHK/
but you can expect that to drop closer to the release, as their pricing on all the other triple-packs are in the US$15-17 range. Our American friends would do just as well to get this at Best Buy, where these sets invariably run $13-15.
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Postby cal42 » Thu May 31, 2007 10:25 am

Finally got that Sonny Chiba Action Pack. I was disappointed that Bullet Train is dubbed - they say in the box that they couldn't get both the dubbed and subbed versions on the same disc, which sounds like bull to me. So I think I'll be giving that version a miss. Looking forward to Virus though.

So apart from all the films I've mentioned above, which I've still not seen unless a review has popped up either here or on my blog, I've got these to watch:

Virus
Golgo 13
The Valiant Ones
She Shoots Straight

Sadly, The Valiant Ones turns out to be another blatent Japanese pirate. Grrr!

I've also got the new HKL version of Shaolin Wooden Men (bye bye VCD!) and Hand of Death to watch as well. Quite looking forward to the latter, which always seemed unfairly slagged off. Mainly, I believe, because JC's involvement is over-hyped.
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Postby Brian Thibodeau » Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:12 pm

For those interested, Deep Discount DVD has once again launched their 20% off sale. It runs from June 1-16. Great way to stock up on R1 releases of Asian cinema. Shipping is free as well.

Previous checkout codes (most should work)


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Postby dleedlee » Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:23 pm

Damn you, Brian! :wink:
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Postby Brian Thibodeau » Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:07 pm

:oops:

Only you have the power to resist...resist...resist... :lol:


Looking through my wishlist over there, I think it will be a light load this time (fingers crossed). Most of what's left on it at this point isn't stuff I want so much as stuff I think looks cool but never actually buy, even during the sale. :? I've yet to watch some titles that I got two or three sales ago, so perhaps a smaller batch will be in order this year. I was rather impressed with quality of and commentaries on the 2-disc GOJIRA disc that came out awhile back, and was thinking of getting the other four that will be available by next Tuesday (two are out now, two next week).
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Postby Masterofoneinchpunch » Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:40 pm

dleedlee wrote:Damn you, Brian! :wink:


I also agree in the damning of Brian ...

Just picked up at DD:
Sansho the Bailiff - Japan Criterion Collection (1955)
Ninjas and Dragons - Japan Rarescope (so far I am only missing one of the Rarescopes now -- Duel at the Supreme Gate which I cannot find a gosh darn copy)

latest Ebay pickup -- Save the Green Planet (South Korea - 2003) R1.

Brian must pick up Equinox ... Also, do you watch any classic Japanese cinema?
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Postby Brian Thibodeau » Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:04 am

Brian must pick up Equinox ... Also, do you watch any classic Japanese cinema?



EQUINOX is in my wishlist, but still debating that one for now. I don't watch as much classic Japanese cinema as I probably should, though I've seen a lot of the "classics' everyone says you're supposed to see: SEVEN SAMURAI, CHUSINGURA, BRANDED TO KILL, TOKYO STORY, that kinda stuff. I've never been able to muster up the actual interest in Samurai cinema, and yet whenever I actually sit down and watch one, I'm usually entertained.

I tend to prefer "contemporary-set" older movies, as I've mentioned in relation to the Shaw DVDs in various threads around here. Same goes for Japanese stuff: I loved GIANTS & TOYS and would love even more to get the same director's BLACK TEST CAR, which either just came out or is coming out soon (either way, it's not at DD :( ). Also loved TOKYO DRIFTER more than BRANDED TO KILL, and thought GOOD MORNING was fantastic. I did receive my replacement disc from Criterion for JIGOKU so I'm saving that one for the next rainy night. Oddly enough, the Kurosawa film that I've always enjoyed the most out of what I've seen (probably about 10 or 12 of his movies) is HIGH AND LOW, which is basically a relocated American crime thriller (and based on an American book, as I recall).


Ninjas and Dragons - Japan Rarescope (so far I am only missing one of the Rarescopes now -- Duel at the Supreme Gate which I cannot find a gosh darn copy)


Got a couple of these left to go myself: CHOI LEE FUT KUNG FU and LOVE AND SWORD, so those will probably go on next week's order. I don't think I've seen DUEL AT THE SUPREME GATE anywhere, so I guess that's one I'll be missing.
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Postby Brian Thibodeau » Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:35 am

I was doing a little cross border shopping today while I'm visiting home, and came across two Warner martial arts double feature DVDs—Militant Eagle / The Prodigal Boxer and Moonlight Sword - Jade Lion/ The Bloody Fists. Don't know much about the films as I'm not the biggest oldschool buff, and I've heard so-so things about the DVDs (which are fullscreen and dubbed), but for $4.99 US at Best Buy (with an extremely favourable exchange rate these days), I figured they were worth a shot.

Amazon's got them pretty cheap, too (which is probably a sign, but what the hell!)
http://www.amazon.com/Moonlight-Sword-M ... 000ION24O/
http://www.amazon.com/Militant-Prodigal ... B000ION24E

Also noticed this double feature release of BLACK MASK and NEW POLICE STORY going for about $9.99 at a bunch of stores, plus a few other Jet Li double features (mostly his U.S. movies, so buyer beware). Didn't bother with these since I've already got them, but other might want to check them out for such a cheap price. NEW POLICE STORY has all the same content as the single-disc edition, but BLACK MASK is the same old dubbed version from way back.
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Mask-New-Po ... 000LC3IFG/
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