dleedlee wrote:Thanks for your description, Brian. Still, I'm curious to see it myself. My standards are obviously lower than yours. I don't mind my emotions being manipulated or lack of plausability - I've believe almost anything I see on film. I'm thinking grandiose attempts are worthy of attention even it's not Bruckenheimer-esque. I found enjoyment in Top Danger, Red Snow and Crash Landing after all! But I'll wait for a less-uber possibly-HK-edition when/if it comes to DVD.
ororama wrote:Evil Dead Trap (1988) Late night cable TV host receives a tape which depicts a murder, and goes with her mostly female crew to investigate the site where she believes it happened. Obviously one of the stupidest groups of victims in horror movie history. Doesn't live up to its hype, but I'm not a fan of the Italian movies that apparently inspired it. The ending is pretty weird.
Evil Dead Trap 2 (1991) Makes Evil Dead Trap look like a masterpiece. This time the serial killer definitely isn't supernatural, but the story is even more incoherent,and the ending is really weird.There are a few beautiful images, but this is probably one of the worst movies that I have ever seen.
ororama wrote:I think that I missed the Un Chien Andalou reference in Evil Dead Trap, although I think one of the beautiful images in Evil Dead Trap 2 that I referred to may have been a version of that same shot. I haven't seen Un Chien Andalou in many years, but I think that it is probably the only film that I've seen by Bunuel that I didn't particularly like.
Brian Thibodeau wrote: The quote below from Shawn appeared in the "What Have We Been Watching" thread as part of a brief discussion of Japan's EVIL DEAD TRAP films, which got me to thinking about another, more recent such film I watched a couple of months back.Masterofoneinchpunch wrote:The film definitely was made with the cheap horror/softcore porn mixture.
This aesthetic seems wholly, unique to Japanese culture, especially with so many recent films utilizing actual hard-core porn starlets who are willing to go that extra mile for "realism". American and Euro horrors have had their mix of sex and sadism over the years, but the Japanese seem to have made a cottage industry out of it. Hardly surprising considering their early and casual acceptance of nudity in mainstream film would find its lowest outlet in these sleazy little mock-snuff movies and the like. The "banned in Britain" hoo-hah surrounding the recent Japanese horror-softcore GROTESQUE (2009) led me to view the film via unsavoury online means recently. Having seen a sizable cross section of the horror-sex films from Japan that have been released on HK DVD (which sadly seems to make up a majority of the Japanese cinema released by Hong Kong companies ), I need to see what could possibly be ban-worth in our permissive age.
This is pretty strong meat, clearly designed to out-torture all the other alleged torture "porn" films made to date (most of which seem to come from Japan, anyways), probably the most realistic (at least in its first half), willfully sadistic and ultimately pointless and near-plotless exercise in degradation of recent vintage. The "story" is literally the abduction, humiliation, torture, rape, disembowelment/dismemberment and murder of a pair of fresh-faced young lovers (Tsugumi Nagasawa and Hiroaki Kawatsure) abducted from their date by a depraved, inbred-looking psychopath (Shigeo Osako) who makes various promises to let them go if they can make him orgasm while he performs "experiments" on them, which include—mostly in full view with a bit of clever cutting to make it even more nauseating—all manner of sexual humiliation, snipping, slicing and chainsawing, keeping his victims alive through it all as a test of their love for each other, which never wavers even in the face of impending death. Respite comes when they're allowed to heal—as horrific cripples, nonetheless happy to be alive and together and still very much in love, of course—in a "hospital" room where the pervert gingerly tends to their wounds with further promises to let them go once they fully recover, as thanks for getting him off. He's lying, of course, and they soon wake up back in the torture chamber for one final round of invasive procedures, this one (thankfully, I suppose) much more over-the-top than the first, though no less graphic.
Not much point here, something which seems true of many of the abduction/torture/sex movies that Japan's pink industry has been producing for decades. I haven't seen a lot of this stuff, in case you're wondering. A few years ago, a pair of extreme pink roughies known as WOMAN IN A BOX 1 and 2 (both from the 80's, no less) were probably my first exposure to this rather disturbing undercurrent of Japanese adult filmmaking, and I've rarely had a desire to expand upon the experience as most of the others I've read about sound like more of the same the recent wave of "silly" Japanese sex/horror pictures like CRUEL RESTAURANT, GIRLS SWIM TEAM, ONICHANBARA and the like tend to be exceptions with their cornball FX and willing actresses); bereft of serious screenwriting, there's only so many directions these darker pictures can go. The abject humiliation and ultimate destruction of the human body and mind IS the whole point, apparently, and I can see why it would move conservative types to recommend a ban of something like GROTESQUE, even if such a ban ultimately holds little water in light of the film's increasingly gonzo second half. Nonetheless, it's probably best watched on a sated tummy, as it certainly has the potential to cause dizziness.
Masterofoneinchpunch wrote:Has anyone seen BACKDRAFT and compare it to Johnnie To's directed LIFELINE? Since I saw LIFELINE I am wondering if BACKDRAFT is worth watching and how much did it inspire LIFELINE. The reviews here mention the connection (as well as every book I have) but don't get into too much detail.
Brian Thibodeau wrote:Masterofoneinchpunch wrote:Has anyone seen BACKDRAFT and compare it to Johnnie To's directed LIFELINE? Since I saw LIFELINE I am wondering if BACKDRAFT is worth watching and how much did it inspire LIFELINE. The reviews here mention the connection (as well as every book I have) but don't get into too much detail.
I think there are only obvious similarities between these two films, such as you might find when comparing any two films about firefighters: some aspects of the job are simply universal. Personally, I think BACKDRAFT is the better overall film—let's face it, it had a LOT more money and star power behind it—but LIFELINE earned a lot of cred with me for just being a film about Hong Kong firefighters, which was not something we'd seen very often, if at all, in the city's cinema. I thought it was a very good picture, although hardly a great classic by any means.
The best Asian firefighter movie I've seen is Korea's LIBERA ME (2000).
Masterofoneinchpunch wrote:The Longest Nite (1998: Patrick Yau Tat-chi) ***/****:
cal42 wrote:I'd never heard of this film. Thanks for the review; it sounds good. I trust Lam Suet makes an appearance?
Brian Thibodeau wrote:cal42 wrote:I'd never heard of this film. Thanks for the review; it sounds good. I trust Lam Suet makes an appearance?
This film is a must if you want to see the genesis of the style that Johnnie To (and to a great degree Wai Ka-fai) would become known for on nearly every action/crime/thriller film that he made after it. It's still often labelled a Patrick Yau film at many review sites (including IMDB, Love HK Film, etc.), but to watch it in retrospect, which you'll be doing, is to see the stirrings of something great. Yau reputedly directed just five scenes before a) becoming creatively blocked or b) being replaced by To and Wai, who were producing. Perhaps the book Shawn mentions reveals more detail?? I viewed this when it first hit DVD (or VCD?) in 1998-ish—before any of the great Johnnie To pictures that would follow—and can remember being utterly blown away, thinking "this is extremely cool, and this Patrick Yau's gonna be a name to watch out for!" Years later, I discovered the behind-the-scenes truth and, having by then seen all of To's subsequent pictures, it made perfect sense that he was really the guiding hand on this one, and the experience obviously showed him the way of his future.
I don't think Yau had much to do with EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED, either, which bears his name but To's fingerprints on nearly every scene.
LOSER'S CLUB from 2001, on the other hand, is probably more representative of Yau's capabilities, and it might explain why he's mostly worked in television ever since.
More on the To/Yau split can be read here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milkyway_Image
Masterofoneinchpunch wrote:(and an ending which I did not quite like which really reminds you of NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN in some regards.
Masterofoneinchpunch wrote:Quick note: I was twenty minutes from finishing CASINO RAIDERS when the damn DVD would not go any farther. I lost another half an hour trying to push through the pixalization and stoppage. I am pissed. I wanted to get through that film before I went on to either GOD OF GAMBLERS or CASINO RAIDERS 2 (which is not a real sequel and directed by To).
Brian Thibodeau wrote:Masterofoneinchpunch wrote:(and an ending which I did not quite like which really reminds you of NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN in some regards.
Well, chronologically speaking, NO COUNTRY should remind you of EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED.Masterofoneinchpunch wrote:Quick note: I was twenty minutes from finishing CASINO RAIDERS when the damn DVD would not go any farther. I lost another half an hour trying to push through the pixalization and stoppage. I am pissed. I wanted to get through that film before I went on to either GOD OF GAMBLERS or CASINO RAIDERS 2 (which is not a real sequel and directed by To).
I'm a big fan of both CASINO RAIDERS films, and slightly prefer the second over the first. I think both are quintessential HK movies of the time. The HK disc of the CASINO RAIDERS 2 has a trailer that features a rather interesting looking car chase that doesn't appear in the film itself, at least on this particular DVD, which makes me wonder if there's a longer version out there, or the sequence was legitimately dropped before the film hit theatres. The "official" sequel to CASINO RAIDERS is actually NO RISK NO GAIN, which is likewise unrelated to the first one but reunites more of the original cast than the To film.
Brian Thibodeau wrote:...I'm a big fan of both CASINO RAIDERS films, and slightly prefer the second over the first. I think both are quintessential HK movies of the time. The HK disc of the CASINO RAIDERS 2 has a trailer that features a rather interesting looking car chase that doesn't appear in the film itself, at least on this particular DVD, which makes me wonder if there's a longer version out there, or the sequence was legitimately dropped before the film hit theatres. The "official" sequel to CASINO RAIDERS is actually NO RISK NO GAIN, which is likewise unrelated to the first one but reunites more of the original cast than the To film.
cal42 wrote:Great list, Shawn (even though I disagree with one of your choices, naturally ). It's got me thinking, but I'm not sure I could pick a good enough list, as I STILL don't think I've seen enough films from the decade in question. I'd have EXILED in there for sure though.
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