Credits: Fantasy Mission Force (1983)

[Gaijin84]

http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/credits.mhtml?id=6057&display_set=eng

English version, these are a mess... I don't see any resemblance to existing credits other than Jackie, Brigitte, Wang Yu Adam Cheng. Might not want to even add aliases.

[Gaijin84]

Also added credits from the re-edited version entitled "Fire Dragon." These are the ones with the red backgrounds.

[calros]

added new pres., new prod. man, new plan., new dir., new writer and 3 new actors.

[Michael Kistner]

I think we should not add the cast and crew from the re-edited version entitled "Fire Dragon" to the original entry of "Fantasy Mission Force".

I have both versions and "Fire Dragon" is a complete different movie that includes many scenes from FANTASY, but many new scenes. Lu I-Chan, Kwan Chung and Li Jian-Ping are only in "Fire Dragon" and Chester Wong/Wong Fei-Lung are only the director/the action director of "Fire Dragon".

[Gaijin84]

I think we should not add the cast and crew from the re-edited version entitled "Fire Dragon" to the original entry of "Fantasy Mission Force".

I have both versions and "Fire Dragon" is a complete different movie that includes many scenes from FANTASY, but many new scenes. Lu I-Chan, Kwan Chung and Li Jian-Ping are only in "Fire Dragon" and Chester Wong/Wong Fei-Lung are only the director/the action director of "Fire Dragon".

Do you think it should be a separate entry in the database?

[calros]

If you want to separate these two movies you must open a poll.
Time ago, I proposed split the movies "Master with Cracked Fingers" (1979) and "The Cub Tiger from Kwangtung" (1973) and most of the editors voted "NO"...

[Michael Kistner]

"""Do you think it should be a separate entry in the database?"""

I think yes or we add comments behind the names of the FIRE DRAGON cast - but with the crew credits it is not possible.

[Gaijin84]

"""Do you think it should be a separate entry in the database?"""

I think yes or we add comments behind the names of the FIRE DRAGON cast - but with the crew credits it is not possible.

If we did add it as a separate entry, I think it should only include the cast and crew that appear in the re-edit, along with a note to see the other entry (in this case Fantasy Mission Force) for the remaining cast & crew. These entries should probably also contain a lengthy explanation in the plot summary/editor notes that all people can see.

[Michael Kistner]

That cast appears in the new footage in FIRE DRAGON:

Kwan Chung
Lu I-Chan
Li Jian-Ping
Chen Hung-Lieh (is in new and old scenes)
Gam Dai (is in new and old scenes)
Yuen Sam
Wong Yiu (2)(extra)
Choi Chung-Chau (extra)
Ho Wai-Hung (extra)

[Gaijin84]

To complicate this even more , I've added the credits from the original version... maybe we need to re-open the discussion on creating a new entry for Fire Dragon? Poll as carlos mentioned?

http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/credits.mhtml?id=6057&display_set=eng

btw Michael, where is Gam Dai in the original version?

[Michael Kistner]

You can see Gam Dai on the cast page:

http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/image_detail ... ay_set=eng

His name is credited in the cast list of the original movie.

[Teddy Wong]

I haven't seen "Fire dragon", but if there is a big difference between versions, I think we should make it like these two:

http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=15104
http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=10388

or these

http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=14550
http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=15115

and connect them in "Links" section.

[Gaijin84]

I haven't seen "Fire dragon", but if there is a big difference between versions, I think we should make it like these two:

http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=15104
http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=10388

or these

http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=14550
http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=15115

and connect them in "Links" section.

I would agree - I didn't realize those had been split out already, I'm glad to see they have been. My thought is that all those Godfrey Ho ninja splices should have two separate entries with a clearly stated explanation and link between the two. In terms of accurate information, that is probably the best way. With that done, I am tending to lean towards carlos's suggestion of splitting Cub Tiger from Kwangtung and Master with Cracked Fingers, especially if different cast members appear in each.

You can see Gam Dai on the cast page:

http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/image_detail ... ay_set=eng

His name is credited in the cast list of the original movie.

My apologies, I meant Gam Ban. I didn't see her in the original version I watched.

[Michael Kistner]

I would agree to Teddy Wong's idea to split the movies that way.

My apologies, I meant Gam Ban. I didn't see her in the original version I watched.

I also did not see Gam Ban in FANTASY - but her name is in the credits.


It is always funny to watch "Godfrey Ho ninja splices" - but in many cases I would prefer to have the original movie. Maybe it's interesting for Teddy Wong: in most of the ninja movies with action direction of Chiang Tao (Tony Kong) Sun Chien appears as stuntman or supporting actor/extra.

[Teddy Wong]

Maybe it's interesting for Teddy Wong: in most of the ninja movies with action direction of Chiang Tao (Tony Kong) Sun Chien appears as stuntman or supporting actor/extra.

Thanks! Good to know!
I guess, you mean Filmark movies, as Chiang Tao worked at first on IFD and then moved to Filmark (IFD and Filmark were rivals).

[Michael Kistner]

I guess, you mean Filmark movies, as Chiang Tao worked at first on IFD and then moved to Filmark (IFD and Filmark were rivals).

I made a list with movies I've seen Sun Chien and Chiang Tao (I have only movies released in Germany and some English titles are from not good sources):

Sun Chien:

Actor/extra/stuntman in:

Golden Ninja Invasion
Vampire Rider Ninja Queen
Ninja Project Daredevil
Ninja in the Killing Fields (what a great title)
Counter Attack
Mission Fireflame
Ninja's Extreme Weapons

Chiang Tao:

Actor and action:
Ninja's Extreme Weapons
Invasion/Raiding Invaders
Robo Vampire
Ninja Invasion
Ninja Project Daredevil
Golden Ninja Invasion
Mission Warflame

Actor and maybe action:
Ninja Terminator
Ninja Thunderbolt

Action director:
Twinkle Ninja Invasion
Ninja in the Killing Fields
Ninja: American Warrior
Shadow Killers Tiger Force
Ninja Challenge
Vampire Rider Ninja Queen

In NINJA'S EXTREME WEAPONS are also Chang Seng-Kwong, Lui Siu-Ming and that often seen actor/extra as main villain:

http://www.hkmdb.com/db/movies/image_de ... ay_set=eng

Possible names:

http://www.ofdb.de/film/22712,American- ... me-Weapons

Added Unknown SB-Actor(14) to SCORPION THUNDERBOLT and Wong Kwok-Leung to MAJESTIC THUNDERBOLT.

[Michael Kistner]

I haven't seen "Fire dragon", but if there is a big difference between versions, I think we should make it like these two:

http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=15104
http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=10388

or these

http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=14550
http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=15115

and connect them in "Links" section.

I would agree

Someone disagree if I make it that way?
It hurts me to look at the filmography of Chester Wong and Wong Fei-Lung and to see FANTASY MISSION FORCE wrongly listed.

[Gaijin84]

Someone disagree if I make it that way?
It hurts me to look at the filmography of Chester Wong and Wong Fei-Lung and to see FANTASY MISSION FORCE wrongly listed.

I still think it's the way to go, makes the most sense. Carlos?

[calros]

If you want to separate these two movies you must open a poll.
Time ago, I proposed split the movies "Master with Cracked Fingers" (1979) and "The Cub Tiger from Kwangtung" (1973) and most of the editors voted "NO"...

[Michael Kistner]

If you want to separate these two movies you must open a poll.

I don't know how to make a poll.

We have 3 votes for separate these two movies.

[calros]

Sorry I did not know in this new forum we cannot open a poll now.

[Michael Kistner]

If nobody objects I separate the two movies in a few days (maybe next week)

[Gaijin84]

If nobody objects I separate the two movies in a few days (maybe next week)

I think there are only 3 or 4 people still left at this forum to vote

[Michael Kistner]

Separated the movies:

http://www.hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mht ... ay_set=eng

and

http://www.hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mht ... ay_set=eng