Ku Long or Gu Long

by **MrBooth** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 6:23 pm

A thread over at mhvf is currently discussing the 'correct' way to spell the name of legendary wu xia author Ku Long/Gu Long/Koo Lung. The main entry here is as Ku Long, but a search on Google reveals absolutely no hits for Ku Long but many hits for Gu Long. Should we change our primary name to reflect what appears to be the consensus spelling? Also, what's this about him being the same person as Louis Cha? Didn't we decide this was not the case? It's still listed as an alias for him.

by **mpongpun** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 8:46 pm

I've seen at as Gu Long alot, so I'm willing to change the main name to this name, however, Gu Long is listed as an alias. Ku Long, Gu Long, Koo Lung, whatever you like. It's all semantics. They are all transliterations of the Chinese character. If I remember right, Gam Yung/Jin Yong is the pen name for Louis Cha Liang Yong. Silver Fox

by **pjshimmer** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 8:53 pm

In Mandarin it is Gu Long. Somewhere along the centuries, somebody decided to follow Mandarin spelling but change a couple of things, so now Jie is Chieh, Xia is Hsia, and Gu became Ku.

by **MrBooth** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 9:32 pm

I just added Gu Long as an alias today

I like the idea of making that the main name though. Jin Yong = Louis Cha sounds right to me. Should I remove the alias from Gu Long? There is no credit for Jin Yong in the DB at all - have the credits for Jin Yong and Gu Long been merged? According to this website, several of the novels that appear to be the source for movies credited to Gu Long were actually written by Jin Yong: http://www.wuxiaworld.com/jy/novels.htm http://www.wuxiaworld.com/ seems like a pretty authoratitive source

by **MrBooth** » Sat Jan 18, 2003 5:57 am

BUMP. Anybody willing to help sort out which credits should go where? These two authors are some of the most important figures in HK movie history, so it seems rather criminal to have them mixed up in the DB!

by **bkasten** » Sat Jan 18, 2003 6:19 pm

There is no "consensus" as to the way a Chinese name is romanized unless the person is question has "customized" their name or added a non-Chinese name (i.e., Andy Lau vs Liu2 de2 hua1). There are three widely used methods of romanizing words spoken in Mandarin--pinyin, Wade-Giles, and Yale; and at least 2 for Cantonese, although I really don't know anything about Cantonese. The only proper way to spell something is to know the Chinese characters used in the name and romanize them appropriately by looking them up. In the case of Gu Long--that is how his name is pronounced in Mandarin. The actual "spelling" is dependent upon the romanization system used. With Pinyin, it is Gu3 Long2--as it is set up, and consistently used in the database. Louis Cha is an anglicised pen name for Jin Yong--who is not Gu Long. Bob

by **pjshimmer** » Mon Jan 20, 2003 1:25 am

These stories are written in Jin Yong and should be removed from Gu Long's credits: Deadly Secret, A (1980) Demi-Gods and Semi-Devils (1982) Eagle Shooting Heroes, The (1993)

by **MrBooth** » Mon Jan 20, 2003 3:56 am

Thanks... all updated, and Jin Yong added back into the DB. Can somebody give him a Big5 name please

I'm sure that more of those movies credited to Ku Long are really Jin Yong sourced... anybody know any more?

by **pjshimmer** » Mon Jan 20, 2003 6:59 am

Should EVERY movie adapted from a Jin Yong/Gu Long novel be creditted to the author? And if so, should they be creditted as "writer" or "story?"

by **pjshimmer** » Mon Jan 20, 2003 7:10 am

These are famous Gu Long novels: Killer Clans (1976) Magic Blade, The (1976) Clans of Intrigue (1977) Jade Tiger (1977) Legend of the Bat (1978) Swordsman and Enchantress (1978) Legendary Strike, The (1978) Big Land, Flying Eagles (1978) Full Moon Scimitar (1979) Duel of Century, The (1981) Denouncement of Chu Liu Hsiang, The (1983) Swordsman at Large (1971) To Kill with Intrigue Deadly Sword, The (1978) Heroes Shed No Tears (1978) Demon Fighter (1982) I'm almost willing to bet my next month's wage that all credits belonging to Jin Yong has been removed from Ku Long.

by **mpongpun** » Mon Jan 20, 2003 1:26 pm

It should be under story. Silver Fox

by **mpongpun** » Mon Jan 20, 2003 2:30 pm

Also can add: ASHES OF TIME EAGLE SHOOTING HEROES Silver Fox

by **mpongpun** » Mon Jan 20, 2003 2:36 pm

Added Big5...done. Silver Fox

by **pjshimmer** » Mon Jan 20, 2003 7:21 pm

Jin Rong, ID 15117, should be deleted. 2 Credits (Brave Archer 3-4) have been transferred to Jin Yong.

by **pjshimmer** » Mon Jan 20, 2003 7:42 pm

Creditted Jin Yong to: Heaven Sword and Dragon Sabre (1978) Heaven Sword and Dragon Sabre, Part II (1978) Hidden Power of the Dragon Sabre, The (1984) Princess Fragrance (1987) Ode to Gallantry (1982) Brave Archer 1-4 Proud Youth, The (1978) Legend of the Fox (1980) Sword of Many Lovers, The (1993) Little Dragon Maid (1983) Book and the Sword (Part 1), The (1960) Book and the Sword (Part 2), The (1960) Emperor and His Brother, The (1981) Story of the Great Heroes (Part 1), The (1960) Story of Great Heroes (Part 2) (1960) Story of the Great Heroes (Part 3), The (1961) Story of the Great Heroes (Part 4), The (1961) Story of the Sword and the Sabre 1-2 (1963) another Story of the Sword and the Sabre 1-2 (1965) Twin Swords (Part 1) (1961) Twin Swords (Part 2) (1961) Story of the Vulture Conqueror 1-2 Tales of a Eunuch (1983) I hesitate to add him to Saviour of the Soul, which is a modern remake of Return of the Condor Heroes.

by **pjshimmer** » Mon Jan 20, 2003 7:57 pm

Someone can do the honor. These can be safely added: Sentimental Swordsman (SS) Return of SS Perils of SS Sun Moon Legend, The (1980) Death Duel (1977) Spirit of the Sword Butterfly Sword (1993) Clan Feuds return of the deadly blade handsome siblings (1992) proud twins (fu sheng) legend of the flying swordsman (2000) the duel (2000) take the rap (1983) bloody parrot (1981) pursuit of vengeance a warrior's tragedy (1993) Silver Spear (1979) Clan of Amazons (1978) NOT SURE ABOUT THESE: roving swordsman (1983) deadly breaking sword

by **mpongpun** » Mon Jan 20, 2003 9:15 pm

deleted. Silver Fox

by **MrBooth** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 1:23 am

Thanks! Added all the definites. Definitely the writer of choice for Chor Yuen I see - look forward to seeing more of his adaptations

by **MrBooth** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 1:25 am

Gu Long has quite a lot of credits as "Writer" where I'm pretty sure he only wrote the source material. Should I change them all to "Story"?

by **mpongpun** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 1:28 am

yes, please. Silver Fox

by **pjshimmer** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 3:19 am

Do you have special authorization that regular editors don't?

by **mpongpun** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 3:23 am

LOL.. No comment... Silver Fox

by **pjshimmer** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 5:49 am

were friends of Gu Long

by **pjshimmer** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 9:00 pm

The question was directed to silver fox.

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